Mountain Stats anyone?

ESPANA...sorry.


Do look forward to the photos though.


Looking at your photos in more detail, can you believe how good the aqua paint has held up?

And, an investor (if Gore would allow) could make a run at changing this building into a sleeping lodge..aka Hostel style. Say $20 a night. Or Gore could revamp it into employee housing.
 
Dang spanish. Haha. Nothing can really be made
of that building. Realy to far from everything. Even in the winter. A trail getting to it would be flat. Plus after, in order to get down you need to circumnavigate a cliff line some how
 
The idea is presented hostel style similar to some resorts that are already doing this. Out of the way places--rough facilities. Half the fun is hiking, shoeing or otherwise (sleigh ride/snowmobile) getting to the spot. Pack in, pack out what you need---camping style. Wood for a fire and restrooms are provided. At some---they pick certain nights and charge out the wazzoo to hire a chef and create a special meal. Rich people like to wear their fur and pretend they are roughing it too. Rather than hike to the spot they pay for a snomobile ride or rent one for the night. Lots of snowmobile trails--I can see renting it to a crew of them on a trail trip.


Agree if it were for employees, one would need a working road.


Some examples: Stowe: The lodge at the top.
Kicking horse--nice house, ride the gondi and then a snomobile takes you to the home--you have first tracks if you want them.
Southwest Co...Yurts along the San Juan mountains..Around Telluride, Durango, Silverton. For backcountry skiing and outfitters.
 
Yea I see where you're going with this I:)skiing.The transfer station would be a cool one, all perched atop that ridge, views both ways.

As to the rich aspect, a lil tale. We have a friend who's family gets to go out on Lake George with a rich guy from the city several times a year. They boat around all day just singing. The guy likes to sing. Anyway, he has the Sagamore Hotel cater their lunches. They meet up on some island and the Sagamore Chef and staff cook them lunches complete with linen, silverware, crystal, expensive wines. They can eat what ever fancy dish they want. She prefers the hamburgers as they are made from filet mignon. Then off they go to sing and swim some more. Kinda like Julie Andrews and the Von Trapp family. Rough huh?

Incidently, the Von Trapp family settled in the Stowe area and still operate an Inn there.
 
Exactly what I am talking about. Real money does not worry about logistics...."just do it". Then for the rest of the folks....there is "just hike it--along with your stuff". One thing that would have to be worked out logistically (no real issue) would be the groomers. Cant have hikers and groomers on the same path for liability reasons I am sure.

Example of what I speak.....Helicopter skiing. Full paying fares can be $2,500 a day with walnut table conference room "training" session (in ski boots on very expensive carpet, coffee serviced in china cups with waiters), nice lunch and full 5 course dinner, drinks included. I know, I skied with these guys...after 2-3 runs they are like....well that was fun, lets quit. WHAT? You have 4 more runs for your $2,500! One guy purchased 5 days for himself and his two sons. Due to wind and snow, it took him 2 weeks to get in his 5 days. He just extended his $10,000/wk condo an extra week to get it in. If you build it, they will come. Not saying Gore would attact "stupid money" but there maybe a business case at some level. Obviously the money is in the area...just look at some Lake George homes.

NOTE: I did not and would never pay that kind of cash. Not disclosing here, but there are ways to heli ski less expensively.



One of my favorite movies is Sound of Music. Great fact. Now that you brought this up, I do recall seeing a sign or something similar with the "Trapp" name during my last visit there, 2 yrs ago. I wondered then....? Could it be?


True life becomes art.


http://www.trappfamily.com/story
 
Sorry everyone. Won't be making it up today, i'm home sick:(. I'll try and make it up either later in the week if I have a day off or definatly next weekend
 
I always wondered how that trail would work exactly. It looks like on the map that it would link up with the original gondi liftline. I haven't hiked over in that area, but it certainly looks like cliffs and narrowness. I can only assume the trail would run along the "front" (main mountain) side of the ridge until at least the mid station.

There is an actual trail map that I have seen with a trail going right off of foxlair towards topridge/sunway. I think it is on the backside of the big trailmap at the base or maybe one of the big ones up on the moutain somewhere. The trail name started with a C. Anyone seen the same thing? They must have been very close to building a trail if it was on a map. It would have been before Ruby so maybe they were thinking of putting in the green off of foxy?
 
Danzilla said:
I always wondered how that trail would work exactly. It looks like on the map that it would link up with the original gondi liftline. I haven't hiked over in that area, but it certainly looks like cliffs and narrowness. I can only assume the trail would run along the "front" (main mountain) side of the ridge until at least the mid station.

There is an actual trail map that I have seen with a trail going right off of foxlair towards topridge/sunway. I think it is on the backside of the big trailmap at the base or maybe one of the big ones up on the moutain somewhere. The trail name started with a C. Anyone seen the same thing? They must have been very close to building a trail if it was on a map. It would have been before Ruby so maybe they were thinking of putting in the green off of foxy?
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Danzilla ... I think the original plan for Foxlair was to run it straight to Sunway. (It may have been named "Sagamore?")

The cost was too much. so they put the lefthand turn in Foxlair. It seems like that is what lead to Ruby Run. An easier way down from the Gondi.

I asked Mike about the purple trail, he was brief:

"It is permitted."

I interpret this to mean he believe construction would happen someday, but it is not currently planned.
 
If Foxlair had gone straight it would have to descend those very sizable cliffs. The map Fuj noted shows the work road that ascends to ORG's midstation from Sunway. My guess is the " purple trail " was to no benefit as it would have left skiers on lower Tannery, before the Topridge triple existed. A MTN bike trail map recently released by Gore shows an existing, open bike trail down that valley to Tannery.

Several years before Ruby run opened, I used to run into a group of men on the hill who were upset about Foxlair as it gets hazardous at day's end.

They were all " We gotta do something about this. Someone's gonna get killed. You call the Senator, I'll call so & so, We'll get this BS fixed." They used terms like " bodybags " and noted the many injuries on Foxlair that weekend. When Gore added a netting wall outside of the right edge of FL and attempted to widen it by building it out with snow, these guys were upset again. " This is BS. They were supposed to build another trail down. Let's go down and call right now " blah blah blah.

Lo and behold, Ruby Run materialized. Don't know for sure how much a part this group of men played. They seemed like the kind of men who were used to getting things accomplished, using their influence to cut through the BS and making people do what needs to be done.

" This is what you're going to do and this is how you're going to do it. Any questions? "

My kinda of guys.
 
I think Sagamore was supposed to be a green trail. When they realized the expense it was scrapped and we got the narrower version of today's Foxlair. Foxlair was a disaster. Between the rock wall on the skier's left and the cliff on the right combined with a huge open view most lower int and green skiers were intimidated. Throw in the huge traffic it handled and the thing was a scraped off sheet of ice by noon. How do you put in a gondola without providing a green trail that almost everybody can handle? Most skiers could ride the old gondola and make their way down Cloud to the Saddle Lodge. Now these same blue and green skiers (and boarders) were afraid to ride the Gondola. It took almost 10 years to get the green trail Ruby Run when it should have been the first trail cut.

The other uncut trails on the map might never be cut due to Gore's 40 mile limit in the NYS constitution. Does anybody know how glades are counted? Maybe they are not counted at all towards the total. If this is the case they should officially glade the entire lower mountain.
 
x10003q said:
I think Sagamore was supposed to be a green trail. When they realized the expense it was scrapped and we got the narrower version of today's Foxlair. Foxlair was a disaster. Between the rock wall on the skier's left and the cliff on the right combined with a huge open view most lower int and green skiers were intimidated. Throw in the huge traffic it handled and the thing was a scraped off sheet of ice by noon. How do you put in a gondola without providing a green trail that almost everybody can handle? Most skiers could ride the old gondola and make their way down Cloud to the Saddle Lodge. Now these same blue and green skiers (and boarders) were afraid to ride the Gondola. It took almost 10 years to get the green trail Ruby Run when it should have been the first trail cut.

The other uncut trails on the map might never be cut due to Gore's 40 mile limit in the NYS constitution. Does anybody know how glades are counted? Maybe they are not counted at all towards the total. If this is the case they should officially glade the entire lower mountain.
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I didn't realize Foxlair was widened. I mean I knew I was less scared, but I attributed it to a big jump in my skillz. :roll:

I'm 99% sure the glades don't go against the limit. The way I understood Mike, the stuff in purple uses up the last of the 40 miles.
 
x10003q said:
Does anybody know how glades are counted? Maybe they are not counted at all towards the total. If this is the case they should officially glade the entire lower mountain.
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As far as I'm aware, it doesn't. Nor do liftlines.

Glading the entire lower mountain would be awesome, but the way it doesn't all funnel into one place and snowmaking pipes make that a big issue. I think insurance has a huge part to do with it as well.
 
Snowballs said:
If Foxlair had gone straight it would have to descend those very sizable cliffs. The map Fuj noted shows the work road that ascends to ORG's midstation from Sunway. My guess is the " purple trail " was to no benefit as it would have left skiers on lower Tannery, before the Topridge triple existed. A MTN bike trail map recently released by Gore shows an existing, open bike trail down that valley to Tannery.

Several years before Ruby run opened, I used to run into a group of men on the hill who were upset about Foxlair as it gets hazardous at day's end.

They were all " We gotta do something about this. Someone's gonna get killed. You call the Senator, I'll call so & so, We'll get this BS fixed." They used terms like " bodybags " and noted the many injuries on Foxlair that weekend. When Gore added a netting wall outside of the right edge of FL and attempted to widen it by building it out with snow, these guys were upset again. " This is BS. They were supposed to build another trail down. Let's go down and call right now " blah blah blah.

Lo and behold, Ruby Run materialized. Don't know for sure how much a part this group of men played. They seemed like the kind of men who were used to getting things accomplished, using their influence to cut through the BS and making people do what needs to be done.

" This is what you're going to do and this is how you're going to do it. Any questions? "

My kinda of guys.
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They just talked to Bean Dip.

Say what you will about the guy, but he has very sensitive antennae and is always way ahead of the curve when it comes to fixing and anticipating safety concerns.
 
I enjoy the Top Ridge lift...very relaxing, not couded. Just what the thighs and hams need after 5-6 runs down Rumor. Seeing a finished run off to the right would "finish" this area and make it look official rather than an after thought. THis is a big long lift for just a few runs, down one side. That aways seems odd.


This run was discussed two years back...love to see it happen. Someday.


Looking for a nice hike? Base of top ridge down to Peaceful Valley. I have hiked the from the bottom up 2/3s, had to turn around to get back on kid watch. Absolutely one of the nicer stream hikes--which I love. Big slides, overhanging trees, small falls, holes etc. Two things to look for:

SEIS markers....Saw about 4...testing zones for water quality? They were newly flagged.

About 1/3 up from PV road--a cable runs across the river. Looks to be about 60 yrs old. I wonder who carried all the wood and cable up there. What it was for etc. Seems to be an old cable bridge.....but why? History?
 
PICTURES...lots of them

to start, ever go up the access road and see a rock that sticks out to the right of the midstation, well i went and found that.


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then made my way to the midstation...

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and i passed this on the way home... :lol: she apparently was looking at a map on a dead straight road and freaked, drove into the ditch. car had practically no front end damage so she had to have been going under 10mph.

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