mattchuck2
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I:)skiing said:
You know what else is good for Mogul lessons? Trails with Moguls on them!!!!! More mogul Trails!!!!
The Gore Mtn Mogul Thread
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You know what else is good for Mogul lessons? Trails with Moguls on them!!!!! More mogul Trails!!!!
mattchuck2
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I think we should launch a campaign to keep Topridge permanently bumped. It's the perfect trail for it. It's out of the way (so it doesn't inhibit traffic flow like a fully bumped Hawkeye might, it gets the sun (so it can soften up earlier than other trails), and it's in front of a lift (so people know what they're getting into). Perfect.
Harvey44
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mattchuck2 said:
Matt....You answered this question before I could ask it.
My question was going to be.... what blue and what black trail(s) should be left as bumpers? IMO you should have a blue bumper as well, for learning.
Do you need more than one of each level so you can mow one down when needed and keep the other bumped?
Also does it make sense to groom one side so that non-bump skiers can get by? I skied a molehill in the Poconos where they did this...it was great because you could try 10 or 30 bumps and bail when you got tired.
And if you're going to let Topridge bump out then would you have to make sure that Uncas/Tannery or Pine Knot/Tannery was good to go at all times?
Gore is the kind of funky mountain that SHOULD offer bump skiing all season.
mattchuck2
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If they want, they can leave one side of the Arena bumped up all year (I would prefer natural bumps, though, not those huge crappy mounds that they ran the bump contest on). That would create a good lap for the jibbers, with a run through the terrain park on Wild Air, then straight into a nice zipper line on Arena (maybe with a permanent kicker on the bottom of the bumps).
Since this is probably not going to happen (too much stuff going on on that trail between Snow Mountain Biking, Rail Jams, etc.), I nominate the part of Open Pit after Upper Darby cuts through for an easier (and shorter) bump run.
The problem (and the cool part) with Gore is that the trails are kind of narrow, so a half and half trail would be hard to come by (only Arena springs to mind).
Since this is probably not going to happen (too much stuff going on on that trail between Snow Mountain Biking, Rail Jams, etc.), I nominate the part of Open Pit after Upper Darby cuts through for an easier (and shorter) bump run.
The problem (and the cool part) with Gore is that the trails are kind of narrow, so a half and half trail would be hard to come by (only Arena springs to mind).
mattchuck2 said:
Agreed--if the trail isn't truly wide enough for both groomed and bumped lines then both would stink. And you'd be surprised how wide it really needs to be to work well--I'm thinking of some Loaf runs that do it: Skidder, Haulback, Spillway. All are fairly wide when compared to most Gore trails. Another possibility would be Lies, but that may be heresy given the love of GS turns down that one.
The bump line always takes up more room than you envision. It basically needs to be at least 6 bumps wide otherwise it just gets smeared off with everybody hopping in and out of the line.
Harv--I've skied down at Blue Mt. before on that trail they often have 1/2 bumped. Pretty weak, but basically the only moguls in MASH except for Elk. On one particular night there, several of the moguls--which were hard packed and iced over--were soaked with blood. You don't see that in the brochure!
I think that if you want a trail for both bumped and groomed skiiers, then it does need to be pretty wide as others have said. But it the intent is a learning trail, then a groomed path on the side is enough to let a novice bail. As a bump novice myself, I can say that having a place to bail, makes it much less intimidating.
Leaving short sections on a long trail like twister could also be good for learning.
tom
Leaving short sections on a long trail like twister could also be good for learning.
tom
Harvey44
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The newly widened Wild Air is obviously out. We need a park and from what Fuje says, it's a good set up.
Tom...IMO parts of Twister is a good idea. Echo is wide at points where it has pitch, but I it's now the race course.
Matt...I agree - no more widening - PLEASE. Especially up top. I'd actually like to see some trees planted in a few places.
Siawol...you nailed it - I was at Blue Mtn on those bumps. I think it was Racers Edge or Challenge. One of the two "double blacks."
Hey HPD....I know you are pretty hands off on this forum and I for one REALLY appreciate it. But I wonder if you could break this thread out, (starting maybe with Matts post or whatever you think ?) into "The Gore Mtn Mogul Thread" or something like that. The Wild Air thread is important and shouldn't be drifted and I think the Mogul Issue needs a current thread too. And who knows, Gore Mgmt may pay more attention to separate properly titled threads.
Tom...IMO parts of Twister is a good idea. Echo is wide at points where it has pitch, but I it's now the race course.
Matt...I agree - no more widening - PLEASE. Especially up top. I'd actually like to see some trees planted in a few places.
Siawol...you nailed it - I was at Blue Mtn on those bumps. I think it was Racers Edge or Challenge. One of the two "double blacks."
Hey HPD....I know you are pretty hands off on this forum and I for one REALLY appreciate it. But I wonder if you could break this thread out, (starting maybe with Matts post or whatever you think ?) into "The Gore Mtn Mogul Thread" or something like that. The Wild Air thread is important and shouldn't be drifted and I think the Mogul Issue needs a current thread too. And who knows, Gore Mgmt may pay more attention to separate properly titled threads.
HPD--agree a mogul thread might be more approp.
If Gore was my mountain:
Blue--like twister, I would have 2-3 areas along the widest part where small mogul fields would be allowed to exist....maybe 6 moguls wide and 20-30 long. No higher than 18-24 inches, if possible. For sure it would get beginner Mogul skiers there, testing then and then having fun down the rest of that really fun slope.
Black---let mother earth and skiers form the field---from tree to tree. If you go in, your in. I would rather not have kids or beginners dropping in and out from groom/bumps. Or...if they do go in...they wont come back until they are more prepared---see Twister above. A full mogul run is great for the brochures/web. Just look around---Hey Marketing, help us out.
If Gore was my mountain:
Blue--like twister, I would have 2-3 areas along the widest part where small mogul fields would be allowed to exist....maybe 6 moguls wide and 20-30 long. No higher than 18-24 inches, if possible. For sure it would get beginner Mogul skiers there, testing then and then having fun down the rest of that really fun slope.
Black---let mother earth and skiers form the field---from tree to tree. If you go in, your in. I would rather not have kids or beginners dropping in and out from groom/bumps. Or...if they do go in...they wont come back until they are more prepared---see Twister above. A full mogul run is great for the brochures/web. Just look around---Hey Marketing, help us out.
mattchuck2
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I like Moguls . . . I want more!
Raymo40 said:
For "expert" bump runs , it's best to have the moguls OBVIOUS at the trail entrance. A sign is helpful, but nothing scares off the wannabes and gapers more than actually staring down the face and seeing it's all bumped up. Tough to pull off on a lot of trails at Gore because they have that "casual" low angle entrance--by the time you've skied down to the steeper sections there's no where else to go. Beginners need to be able to ski up to the edge of an expert bump run--laugh for a minute--then say "not for me" and ski over to the next trail....
They could build an area of moguls somewhere on the wide section where Showcase and Twister come together. Some of the trail here is steep, but you could bail out. Some times after a decent snow the lower part of North Star gets bumped. This is a nice blue grade, although it is narrow. They might be able to bump up the lower left fork of Uncas or even the main part of Uncas. The problem with Uncas is it gets icy. There also might be sections of Sunway that are wide enough to seed portions of the trail-like right after Quicksilver.
i still say double barrel would be the perfect solution. it would even have good viewing from the lift. i wouldn't doubt they could string portable snowmaking guns from the pipelines on the sides of double barrel, presto! instant trails.
The upper mtn is soooooooooo under utilized. Hawkeye/Chati, Hawkeye/Chati, Hawkeye/Chati is basically all you hear people say on the lift. " what's it gonna be this run? Hawkeye or Chatiemac? ". Those two trails get 90% of the skier traffic on that face of upper mtn.
stand down at the bottom and look back up. there's alot of mtn not being skied. for the benefit of Gore skiers and esp. the better ones, i would like to see that face used more. finish double barrel and leave it bumped, at least one side. the better skiers at Gore truly deserve more terrain geared towards their wants. double barrel would be cheap and easy to finish PLUS it would be a fantastic trail.
cover it with snow and let it go!
and really, what kind of major ski resort does not have a bump run? come on.
i would also like to see a trail cut between Rumor and Lies where the " mistake " trail was started but not finished. it could be an open slope or a winding trail like the one that starts beside open pit. such a trail would be da bomb with the Hot Dog skiers. they deserve it. they would love it and double barrel.
The upper mtn is soooooooooo under utilized. Hawkeye/Chati, Hawkeye/Chati, Hawkeye/Chati is basically all you hear people say on the lift. " what's it gonna be this run? Hawkeye or Chatiemac? ". Those two trails get 90% of the skier traffic on that face of upper mtn.
stand down at the bottom and look back up. there's alot of mtn not being skied. for the benefit of Gore skiers and esp. the better ones, i would like to see that face used more. finish double barrel and leave it bumped, at least one side. the better skiers at Gore truly deserve more terrain geared towards their wants. double barrel would be cheap and easy to finish PLUS it would be a fantastic trail.
cover it with snow and let it go!
and really, what kind of major ski resort does not have a bump run? come on.
i would also like to see a trail cut between Rumor and Lies where the " mistake " trail was started but not finished. it could be an open slope or a winding trail like the one that starts beside open pit. such a trail would be da bomb with the Hot Dog skiers. they deserve it. they would love it and double barrel.
Harvey44
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If you guys/gals are game ...
We could come up with some questions about moguls. No promises that I'll get a response, but it can't hurt to ask.
My first one would be:
What are the pros and cons of grooming half the width of a trail, and leaving the other half moguled? (is that a word?)
We could come up with some questions about moguls. No promises that I'll get a response, but it can't hurt to ask.
My first one would be:
What are the pros and cons of grooming half the width of a trail, and leaving the other half moguled? (is that a word?)
I got some general mogul questions if someone would be kind enough to answer.
1) What do the other resorts do.....just leave moguls there forever even tho they get rock hard or way dished out?
2) Does blowing snow on an existing mogul field work, feasible/safe to ski after and would it soften them up?
3)Once a trail is groomed moguls don't seem to want to form.....BUT sometimes they start to spring up on groomed Foxlair....is that because of large amount of traffic? Does steepness help to grow moguls a groomed trail?
4) If a groomed trail was not groomed again, would moguls appear?
5) What would you say is your favorite size mogul.... A,B,C or D cup?
1) What do the other resorts do.....just leave moguls there forever even tho they get rock hard or way dished out?
2) Does blowing snow on an existing mogul field work, feasible/safe to ski after and would it soften them up?
3)Once a trail is groomed moguls don't seem to want to form.....BUT sometimes they start to spring up on groomed Foxlair....is that because of large amount of traffic? Does steepness help to grow moguls a groomed trail?
4) If a groomed trail was not groomed again, would moguls appear?
5) What would you say is your favorite size mogul.... A,B,C or D cup?